tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1339424946682687936.post2282779594810142404..comments2014-12-26T22:54:06.865-05:00Comments on The Bitter Trolley Conductor: Accepting the geek – Part II: The Dividing LineBitter Trolley Conductorhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16967934852303292674noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1339424946682687936.post-29867131705891394542011-03-16T12:19:54.408-04:002011-03-16T12:19:54.408-04:00The drink car is three cars back. Fully stocked!The drink car is three cars back. Fully stocked!Bitter Trolley Conductorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16967934852303292674noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1339424946682687936.post-1543465202585351552011-03-16T11:47:10.638-04:002011-03-16T11:47:10.638-04:00*serves up lemonade*
Well - there were all these ...*serves up lemonade*<br /><br />Well - there were all these lemons laying around.... ;)Terilynnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12437509526779258266noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1339424946682687936.post-43365675230972044272011-03-14T23:39:32.540-04:002011-03-14T23:39:32.540-04:00I was told there would be refreshments on this tro...I was told there would be refreshments on this trolley....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1339424946682687936.post-46427507979122963992011-03-11T18:04:41.378-05:002011-03-11T18:04:41.378-05:00I blame the Universal Translator for putting them ...I blame the Universal Translator for putting them out of order. LOLBitter Trolley Conductorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16967934852303292674noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1339424946682687936.post-8460931234752808132011-03-11T16:48:11.081-05:002011-03-11T16:48:11.081-05:00Wow, sorry that all my comments were out of order....Wow, sorry that all my comments were out of order. It did not show that they had posted so I kept trying (but it was very late and Gorn's need 7 hours of sleep). Thanks.<br /><br />Can you make sense of my comments then?TheGornCaptainhttp://www.jjabramsstartreksucks.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1339424946682687936.post-35017265757021789892011-03-11T03:37:06.437-05:002011-03-11T03:37:06.437-05:00Where to start? First, I appreciate this post. As ...Where to start? First, I appreciate this post. As a lifelong fan who grew up with TOS (my first memory in life is watching it with my father and my 3 year old loves it already) I have strong feeling about the Abrams Abomination.<br />Now, I admit, back in 1987 I bought a t-shirt that read: Trek Classic – Who Needs Another Generation. Watched TNG with a skeptical eye even KNOWING that Gene was behind it. However, it clearly proved to be worth its weight in gold pressed latinum and furthered the ideals of TOS. <br />To start from the bottom line: JJ Abrams & CBS have absolutely NO reverence for Star Trek, its ideals, its message, its history, or for its original fan base. They are in it PURELY for the motivation of making money – and nothing is too sacred for them to screw with. Now, of course, Rick Berman wanted to make money too, as did Gene, but it was more to them and they proved that. Abrams – the self admitted Star Wars fan, doesn’t give a sh**, clearly.<br />As for the movie itself: well it was impossible from the start. Indeed the premise itself was insulting and actually “illogical.” Why make a movie re-imagining the TOS characters if you were not trying to appeal to Trekkies, Trekkers and anyone else who is a fan? They admitted that this was NOT a movie for Star Trek fans – that they wanted to reach out to a new audience. It’s actually a Kobayashi Maru, but Abrams isn’t smart enough to fool the test. There’s no way to win. You can’t do it better because it is the original and were it not so special then we wouldn’t be discussing this. So that begs the question: WHY NOT COME UP WITH SOMETHING ORIGINAL!?!?! Personally, I think it was a deliberate “screw you” to us TOS fans. Abrams DID think he could do it better. He was wrong. (of course in REAL Star Trek Kirk for a commendation for “original thinking” for his Kobayashi Maru stunt… remind me again how they violated that idea in Abrams Abomination?)<br />Now, about the “alternative timeline” crap: the only way this works s if you at LEAST stay true to the characters. Sure, some events can change, but if you alter who these people ARE and to a great extent how they came to be, then why should we even care to watch them? They are no longer the Kirk, Spock, McCoy et al that we came to love.<br />Kirk: he was never a rebel boy character. He was an “absolutely grim” cadet. He became the youngest captain in Starfleet – AT 35! Pine can run around and say the lines but he was acting a character that was NOT Kirk. Not even close.<br />Spock, oh where to begin? Why even bother having an arc to a character if you are going to skip all that and have him find the meaning of life the universe and himself in 45 minutes? So stupid. Spock would NEVER be ready to have the emotional development he did at that age, and if he did, then he is no longer even fun to watch. Just retire now and write self-help books, Spock-o. (the thing with Uhura falls under the category of idiotic moves almost too stupid to even mention).<br />McCoy was actually not all that bad. In fact, his portrayal and the design of the shuttlecraft are probably the only things in the movie I didn’t hate (the idea of beaming across light years onto a movie ship from a shuttle was also idiotic, of course).<br /><br />PART II...TheGornCaptainhttp://www.jjabramsstartreksucks.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1339424946682687936.post-19151642831379875662011-03-11T03:32:49.218-05:002011-03-11T03:32:49.218-05:00If not, if this is “their” Star Trek as you say, t...If not, if this is “their” Star Trek as you say, then I predict a short and shallow life. For if this were the thing that “started it all” it would have ended up being nothing but a lens flare in a pan.<br />There has been a lot of Trek before, but if you can’t do it right, then don’t do it at all. Let it stay the way it was. Again, I would have been open to something NEW, but never before did anyone try to RE-DO something. That was a fatal mistake.<br />Now it is my turn to apologize for the ramblings…<br /><br />TheGornCaptain<br /><br />Ps – Oh yeah, I forgot - WTF – A WINDOW ON THE BRIDGE?!?!?!<br /><br />Pps – it breaks my heart that Nimoy had anything to do with it.TheGornCaptainhttp://www.jjabramsstartreksucks.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1339424946682687936.post-16191155355537875772011-03-11T03:32:15.932-05:002011-03-11T03:32:15.932-05:00As you mentioned in your blog, Scotty was turned i...As you mentioned in your blog, Scotty was turned into a joke (as was the engine room). And WTF was that stupid sidekick alien? You see, contempt and lack of respect. Total.<br />Chekov was made into a joke and while Sulu was able to lay a strong action role, he was pretty flat.<br />You get the point with all of that. The characters were mere echoes of themselves at best and at worst – in the case of Kirk and Spock they were practically opposite to how they logically should and would have been in a real “origin” story.<br />Other gaping idiotic things: well as you pointed out THEY DESTROYED VULCAN AND ESSENTIALLY THE VULCAN CULTURE. This is obviously a big one, and another thing I interpret as Abrams flipping the bird at REAL Trek fans. You can’t have the Star Trek universe without Vulcan. You simply can’t. The Federation is another thing entirely and the relationship between humans and Vulcans is critical. Just plain pathetic and weak as a plot point. I mean, anyone new to Trek movie doesn’t really care that Vulcan just blew up, it’s just a big ball in space, but to REAL fans…<br />More stupidity: putting a pimply teenage cadet crew in charge of the flagship of the Federation. WTF? Spock served for years on the Enterprise with Pike and Uhura was already a Lieutenant, Scotty a Lt. Commander, etc. yet we are supposed to believe that they rolled out of the frat house and became the best crew in Starfleet with NO experience. It just shows a complete lack of care and concern for the show. They wanted to tell a story about “how everyone met” and didn’t care if the actually background and development of the characters would suffer. <br />And that brings us to the main point. None of it matters. This was a big flashy space-battle movie meant to make money. Did anyone who saw it who was new to Trek come away with an understanding of the principles of Star Trek? Did the idea that mankind would move past greed, poverty, racism, violence to explore the full human potential come out?<br />The plot itself was completely lame and full of holes so big you could fly the planet killer through them. The villain two dimensional – and WE NEVER EVEN REALLY SAW OR CARED ABOUT THE WOMAN WHO’S DEATH CAUSED ALL THE TURMOIL. We are supposed to get his motivation? Idiotic. I also have to say the Romulan ship was uninspired and ugly. Star Trek is built upon the vision of Gene and the interaction between the characters as they grow together. Since they characters were all wrong and their history completely changed then any attachment we may have had was based upon what we remembered from REAL Star Trek, but again, Abrams violated that.<br />I could go on and on. Keep in mind, I only saw this evil piece of filth once so this is from memory. I would never watch it again. In fact, over my dead body will I watch any product that JJ Abrams has any part in whatsoever. He has earned a special place in my heart as only someone who pissed on something you held so dear can do.<br />My only hope, as someone else who commented said, is that the people who are seeing ths as this introduction to Star Trek, will quickly realize what a lifeless valueless piece of shallow junk it actually is when they compare it to the real thing.<br /><br />PART III...TheGornCaptainhttp://www.jjabramsstartreksucks.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1339424946682687936.post-66071783237296174412011-03-11T02:11:57.505-05:002011-03-11T02:11:57.505-05:00I agree with you 100%.
There were a few things I...I agree with you 100%. <br /><br />There were a few things I didn't like as a huge trek fan, but looking at it objectively it was a good movie. I also think its value in introducing Trek to a new generation is often overlooked.Davehttp://twitter.com/daveg1701noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1339424946682687936.post-90113669724216925872011-03-10T21:49:25.245-05:002011-03-10T21:49:25.245-05:00I've read this twice.
I'm trying to figur...I've read this twice.<br /><br />I'm trying to figure out where we disagree.<br /><br />Seriously.<br /><br />This is EXACTLY how I feel! The new movie IS bringing in NEW fans! And they're WATCHING THE OLD SHOW!!<br /><br />How awesome is that?! I love it!.<br /><br />I may not have like the plot of the movie purely because it was convoluted drivel - but the actors were great and the jokes were laugh-out-loud funny!<br /><br />I am looking forward to the 2012 film only to see if Orci, with Lindelhof's help can actually write a script with depth - but I'm not expecting very much in that regard. Since my expectation with regard to character are set so low - they actually have a chance at impressing me.<br /><br />But as far as everything else you've said - the fandom WILL learn to accept NuTrek fans because they are, TREK fans. The world expands - and just because you may not like the road that show takes you down, doesn't mean you're strapped into walking it.<br /><br />:)Terilynnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12437509526779258266noreply@blogger.com